BGray
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What a wonderful tour!  I was a bit apprehensive beforehand after the excellent reviews that have already appeared (many thanks Jonah, Hils and Katy), that it would be hard for my sky-high expectations to be met but Burma/Myanmar did not disappoint.  I won't go into too much detail and hopefully won't repeat too much of what has already been said but I would like to give you a flavour of what to expect if you decide to do this engaging tour to a country that is changing fast.

First of all the highlights - unsurprisingly the most jaw-dropping moments were the iconic sights of the U Bein Bridge at sunset, the vast panorama of temples at Bagan and the incredible Schwedagon Pagoda complex in Yangon.  These are the memories that will stay with me forever - I've just finished printing out my favourite photos and am delighted with the results.  But for me, and I suspect for the rest of the group as well, just as important were all the little things that made this tour so special - especially the various opportunities we had to meet local people in villages and schools, to learn about their traditional handicrafts (and gasp in amazement at the skills and ingenuity they possess to make beautiful products using the most simple of implements), to witness the people going about their lives in a variety of settings - in the cities, the countryside, on the river Ayeyarawady and on Inle Lake.  Special touches like complementary drinks and snacks as we took to the water at U Bein Bridge, as well as a wonderful meal on a sandbank on the river at Bagan under the stars after watching the sunset and a change in itinerary so that we had an included lunch, rather than a packed one were all very much appreciated.

Speaking of the itinerary, it is clear that some changes have been made since Jonah and Hils went on the first JY departure this time last year.  They mentioned that there was next to no down time and that if you did the trishaw ride in Mandalay (which at that stage was a bicycle ride), then you would really have no free time at all - this has changed and we had two free afternoons even after doing the trishaw ride (which we all really enjoyed).  Stephen Taylor, our tour manager, knows Burma well having first been there thirty years ago and with the guidance of our terrific local guide Coco, he further tweaked the itinerary so that we did everything we were supposed to, but the timings were adjusted to make things a bit easier for us.  In this way, we did the horse and cart ride on the morning after our arrival in Bagan, which meant we weren't so rushed to see the temples at sunset the evening before.  This was a great decision and we appreciated it.  We still had lots of early starts, with two days beginning around 4.00am, as we had flights to catch!  Stephen also took us to the caves at Kalaw where there are 900 Buddha statues, an amazing sight, not officially on the itinerary but again we were all delighted to witness this.

Burma is indeed a nation in transition and this is especially clear in Yangon, which is rapidly becoming just like any other international city.  With a population of four million, there are only 600,000 cars but the infrastructure of the city is struggling to cope with this and traffic jams are becoming the norm, as are electronic signs.  At least there are no McDonald's - yet!!  The people are taking to the introduction of new technology like ducks to water (they've only had the internet for three or four years) and mobile phones and wifi are now commonplace.  However, the people are charming and friendly and we all felt perfectly welcome and absolutely safe.  Most of them don't mind their photo being taken - and you will want to capture the scenes of everyday life there like nowhere else - but if I wanted a close up shot, I used to point at my camera and say "photo?"  Almost without exception I was met with a smile and a nod.

The hotels were those listed in the brochure and they were all very good; I particularly liked the ones in Yangon and Inle Lake, which were superb.  We also liked the hotel in Kalaw but the service in the restaurant was awful - top tip: if you don't want to wait a long time for your meal, order a local dish with rice rather than western food such as pizza - although you might be sorely tempted to do so, you may have to wait for a couple of hours!!  We had mobile coverage at all the hotels (although for some reason when we returned to Yangon at the end, I couldn't get a signal at the same hotel) and the wifi was fine also.  The food was generally very good, with mild curry dishes predominating - although I'm no expert it seemed to me to be a blend of Indian, Thai and Chinese cuisine.  Unfortunately a good number of the group had upset stomachs; initially we thought it was just the usual case of "holiday tummy" but by the end of the tour it was clear that a bug was actually spreading among us.  This was a pity, but we were all having such a great time, we were determined not to let it spoil things.  Although I do think we were just unlucky, I would still suggest bringing a good supply of Immodium and following a chat with my doctor after a previous holiday, I now bring a broad spectrum antibiotic with me just in case.  The weather was hot and dry throughout, but not humid - however the sun is very strong so bring a hat even if you don't usually like wearing one!  Mosquitoes were not a problem - I saw a fair few but just got one bite.  The places we visit are not in malaria high risk zones, so we didn't have to worry too much although I did put repellent on in the evenings and also in the mornings if we were going to be on the water.  Another top tip (courtesy of Sally): many of us don't like putting on DEET as it is very strong; Boots also do a version of their Repel repellent called "light fragrance" with has a strength rating of 3 out of 4 and is now recommended for long haul travel; I used it throughout the tour and it is certainly easier on the skin than 50% DEET - and it smells a lot nicer too!!

I didn't do the beach add-on, so perhaps someone else might like to comment on it.  After a hectic tour, I was rather envious of those going to the beach, especially as it has got such good write-ups previously.  However I will save my holiday entitlement for other tours (anyone interested in the new Danube Wine Experience leaving on 21 May?!!).  In summary, I will just say a big "thank you" to JY for organising another fabulous tour which I enjoyed from start to finish.  Burma is really a destination like no other - and we didn't get "templed out" as we thought we would - they were all so different to each other!  But I would advise you to go as soon as you can, as I reckon in a few years it could be in danger of losing what makes it so very special as modernity and consumerism take their toll.  Finally there were 30 in the group and everyone mixed well - and it was lovely to meet some familiar names from the forum in person at long last!!

Any questions, I'd be delighted to answer them and I'm sure my fellow travellers from the forum will want to add some comments as well!

Cheers,

Bob

RogertheRed
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Thanks Bob. As usual another brilliant review.

Regards.

Roger

katy1717
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Hi Bob, great review and reminds me of my trip. Burma definitely the best JY holiday I've taken. As you say, the little things along the way really make the trip special. But, now looking back, think the day we had on Lake Inle was my top highlight. Glad you saw the Buddhas in the cave, do think that JY should include this in the itinerary - its just an amazing place.

Interested to read your tip, from Sally, about the Boots repellant. I got back from Cuba a couple of weeks ago, used Deet, was still bitten badly - think the Boots stuff might work better, I might use more of it, if doesn't smell so awful.

Am hoping to see some more itineraries for other bits of Burma, would love to go back.

Regards

Katy

BGray
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Hi Roger and Katy,

Thanks for your kind words! Katy, Yvette Barnett said to me in Namibia that she thought the Boots range was better than the Jungle mossie repellents in general and I'm very pleased to have discovered, via Sally, the Repel Light Fragrance.  However while I was away, I read an online article that had done research into the effectiveness of all the available types of repellents - the citronella/natural ones were proven to be useless whilst DEET was the most effective.  There is a big "but" though - even DEET was shown to only reduce attractiveness to mossies by 60%!!!  So this explains why we still can get bitten despite having lashed on the repellent!  Thankfully almost all JY tours go to areas that are low risk of malaria, although there is obviously also the risk of Dengue etc.

All the best,

Bob

Julie White
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Thank you for writing the review Bob,

Finally glad to have met you in person.

I would just like to reiterate that this is an amazing trip and is a must, before it becomes too over commercialised.

I can't really add anything more to this excellent review.  It seems to have covered all the main highlights.

Please add this trip to your list of places to go

Regards Julie

catherineraw
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agree wonderful review from Bob and so accurate and fair .... there's very little more to say

It was lovely to meet you all - put some names to faces. It was a fantastic group - two excellent leaders who worked so well together.   

now I've got to think where next - for November - maybe Southern India  or maybe Borneo ....

AbbaDave
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Hi Bob

many thanks for your excellent review, are JY sure they can't use you as their professional review writer, always so very well written and interesting, I look forward to reading a book about Bob's Travels one day

This Tour is very much in my mind for next year

all the best

Dave

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Bob

A great review of what sounds like a fabulous holiday,sound like JY have made a great tour itinerary with this one, glad you all had a great time, sad to read so many had a bug, but as you say it wasn't necessarily to do with the tour.

Nice you got to meet some more of the JY community on your travels.

Cindy

Kezzer46
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Hi Bob,

Thanks for putting into words what we all felt about this amazing holiday.   I loved everything about this holiday from start to finish...  I think Coco was a fabulous local tour manager, I will never forget his longyi lesson it really was eye openner!!

Other moments I will never forget are feeling like a superstar on the trishaw ride in Mandalay, the light scent of fabreeze in the wind (still laughing) and arriving at the lake hotel by boat...

We really were a lovely group and it was great to meet so many people from the forum and make some great new friends - I really enjoyed everyone's company so thank you.

Kerry xx

LYNDAKNOBEL
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Hi Bob,

Enjoyed reading your great review as always and glad you all had a fantastic holiday. Would love to see some of your photos. This one is definitely on my to do list now, I've got Kerala booked for September and my passport expires April next year so Burma will have to be after then!

How did you get on with the 'flat' dollar notes!

Best wishes

Lynda (from Borneo & Singapore tour)

BGray
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Hi everyone!

Thanks for all the lovely replies and I'm so glad that the review has been useful.  Kerry, your post made me laugh not once but several times!  Must remember to put Febreeze on the shopping list next time....

Rose and AbbaDave, thanks for your comments - I'd love to write a travel book one day but I think I'd have to publish it myself; at least it looks like I'd have two sales anyhow!!

Burma was country no. 59 for me, hopefully I'll hit the big 6-0 very soon...although I did hear while in Burma about a very well travelled customer who seemingly has done around 70 tours with JY - wow!!!!!  I'm just a beginner really...

All the best,

Bob

BGray
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Hi Lynda,

Nice to hear from you again!  After various comments, we all did our best to keep our dollar notes flat and had no problems - you really only need to keep them flat for the money exchange outlets as restaurants etc aren't so fussy (unless they are badly creased, tatty etc!).  I spent around $300 altogether and that mainly went on the additional meals (very cheap) and drinks. 

I meant to say that beer is very cheap and the wine is generally reasonable too - just make sure you ask is it local or imported.  Local is truly awful, unless you get the brand that has a peacock on the label (name unpronounceable, proudly claims it is in western style!!) and the imported wines were a bit pricey but worth it.  Probably best to stick to beer though.

All the best,

Bob

IanWight
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Thanks to Bob for the review and no matter how good earlier reviews are then there will always be changes so it is good for future travellers, I have a vested interest as I'm booked for October, to hear about updates, changes etc as a tour develops.
janib
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Hello Bob,

Great review as always. Look forward to seeing more photos on Facebook. Good to hear about Repel- do I need this in New Zealand?

Jan

sue dobbs
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'BGray' wrote:

What a wonderful tour!  I was a bit apprehensive beforehand after the excellent reviews that have already appeared (many thanks Jonah, Hils and Katy), that it would be hard for my sky-high expectations to be met but Burma/Myanmar did not disappoint.  I won't go into too much detail and hopefully won't repeat too much of what has already been said but I would like to give you a flavour of what to expect if you decide to do this engaging tour to a country that is changing fast.

First of all the highlights - unsurprisingly the most jaw-dropping moments were the iconic sights of the U Bein Bridge at sunset, the vast panorama of temples at Bagan and the incredible Schwedagon Pagoda complex in Yangon.  These are the memories that will stay with me forever - I've just finished printing out my favourite photos and am delighted with the results.  But for me, and I suspect for the rest of the group as well, just as important were all the little things that made this tour so special - especially the various opportunities we had to meet local people in villages and schools, to learn about their traditional handicrafts (and gasp in amazement at the skills and ingenuity they possess to make beautiful products using the most simple of implements), to witness the people going about their lives in a variety of settings - in the cities, the countryside, on the river Ayeyarawady and on Inle Lake.  Special touches like complementary drinks and snacks as we took to the water at U Bein Bridge, as well as a wonderful meal on a sandbank on the river at Bagan under the stars after watching the sunset and a change in itinerary so that we had an included lunch, rather than a packed one were all very much appreciated.

Speaking of the itinerary, it is clear that some changes have been made since Jonah and Hils went on the first JY departure this time last year.  They mentioned that there was next to no down time and that if you did the trishaw ride in Mandalay (which at that stage was a bicycle ride), then you would really have no free time at all - this has changed and we had two free afternoons even after doing the trishaw ride (which we all really enjoyed).  Stephen Taylor, our tour manager, knows Burma well having first been there thirty years ago and with the guidance of our terrific local guide Coco, he further tweaked the itinerary so that we did everything we were supposed to, but the timings were adjusted to make things a bit easier for us.  In this way, we did the horse and cart ride on the morning after our arrival in Bagan, which meant we weren't so rushed to see the temples at sunset the evening before.  This was a great decision and we appreciated it.  We still had lots of early starts, with two days beginning around 4.00am, as we had flights to catch!  Stephen also took us to the caves at Kalaw where there are 9,000 Buddha statues, an amazing sight, not officially on the itinerary but again we were all delighted to witness this.

Burma is indeed a nation in transition and this is especially clear in Yangon, which is rapidly becoming just like any other international city.  With a population of four million, there are only 600,000 cars but the infrastructure of the city is struggling to cope with this and traffic jams are becoming the norm, as are electronic signs.  At least there are no McDonald's - yet!!  The people are taking to the introduction of new technology like ducks to water (they've only had the internet for three or four years) and mobile phones and wifi are now commonplace.  However, the people are charming and friendly and we all felt perfectly welcome and absolutely safe.  Most of them don't mind their photo being taken - and you will want to capture the scenes of everyday life there like nowhere else - but if I wanted a close up shot, I used to point at my camera and say "photo?"  Almost without exception I was met with a smile and a nod.

The hotels were those listed in the brochure and they were all very good; I particularly liked the ones in Yangon and Inle Lake, which were superb.  We also liked the hotel in Kalaw but the service in the restaurant was awful - top tip: if you don't want to wait a long time for your meal, order a local dish with rice rather than western food such as pizza - although you might be sorely tempted to do so, you may have to wait for a couple of hours!!  We had mobile coverage at all the hotels (although for some reason when we returned to Yangon at the end, I couldn't get a signal at the same hotel) and the wifi was fine also.  The food was generally very good, with mild curry dishes predominating - although I'm no expert it seemed to me to be a blend of Indian, Thai and Chinese cuisine.  Unfortunately a good number of the group had upset stomachs; initially we thought it was just the usual case of "holiday tummy" but by the end of the tour it was clear that a bug was actually spreading among us.  This was a pity, but we were all having such a great time, we were determined not to let it spoil things.  Although I do think we were just unlucky, I would still suggest bringing a good supply of Immodium and following a chat with my doctor after a previous holiday, I now bring a broad spectrum antibiotic with me just in case.  The weather was hot and dry throughout, but not humid - however the sun is very strong so bring a hat even if you don't usually like wearing one!  Mosquitoes were not a problem - I saw a fair few but just got one bite.  The places we visit are not in malaria high risk zones, so we didn't have to worry too much although I did put repellent on in the evenings and also in the mornings if we were going to be on the water.  Another top tip (courtesy of Sally): many of us don't like putting on DEET as it is very strong; Boots also do a version of their Repel repellent called "light fragrance" with has a strength rating of 3 out of 4 and is now recommended for long haul travel; I used it throughout the tour and it is certainly easier on the skin than 50% DEET - and it smells a lot nicer too!!

I didn't do the beach add-on, so perhaps someone else might like to comment on it.  After a hectic tour, I was rather envious of those going to the beach, especially as it has got such good write-ups previously.  However I will save my holiday entitlement for other tours (anyone interested in the new Danube Wine Experience leaving on 21 May?!!).  In summary, I will just say a big "thank you" to JY for organising another fabulous tour which I enjoyed from start to finish.  Burma is really a destination like no other - and we didn't get "templed out" as we thought we would - they were all so different to each other!  But I would advise you to go as soon as you can, as I reckon in a few years it could be in danger of losing what makes it so very special as modernity and consumerism take their toll.  Finally there were 30 in the group and everyone mixed well - and it was lovely to meet some familiar names from the forum in person at long last!!

Any questions, I'd be delighted to answer them and I'm sure my fellow travellers from the forum will want to add some comments as well!

Cheers,

Bob

Hi Bob,just a quick thank you to all the other travellers,a lovely group of people! Didn't matter where you sat always a friendly face! An amazing tour,

thoroughly enjoyed it  although completely worn out! Burma was just plain wonderful,loved it.

Sue.

Bosuncat
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Great review as always Bob.  :)

I'm glad everyone had a  wonderful time, and hope the stomach bug has calmed down for everyone!

LYNDAKNOBEL
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'BGray' wrote:

Hi Lynda,

Nice to hear from you again!  After various comments, we all did our best to keep our dollar notes flat and had no problems - you really only need to keep them flat for the money exchange outlets as restaurants etc aren't so fussy (unless they are badly creased, tatty etc!).  I spent around $300 altogether and that mainly went on the additional meals (very cheap) and drinks. 

I meant to say that beer is very cheap and the wine is generally reasonable too - just make sure you ask is it local or imported.  Local is truly awful, unless you get the brand that has a peacock on the label (name unpronounceable, proudly claims it is in western style!!) and the imported wines were a bit pricey but worth it.  Probably best to stick to beer though.

All the best,

Bob

Hi Bob

Many thanks for your reply. Think I'll stick with the beer then!?

Best wishes

Lynda

Julie White
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'Kezzer46' wrote:

Hi Bob,

Thanks for putting into words what we all felt about this amazing holiday.   I loved everything about this holiday from start to finish...  I think Coco was a fabulous local tour manager, I will never forget his longyi lesson it really was eye openner!!

Other moments I will never forget are feeling like a superstar on the trishaw ride in Mandalay, the light scent of fabreeze in the wind (still laughing) and arriving at the lake hotel by boat...

We really were a lovely group and it was great to meet so many people from the forum and make some great new friends - I really enjoyed everyone's company so thank you.

Kerry xx

Thank you Kerry,

For adding to the review,  I am still laughing.  I bet I know what will be going in your case for your next holiday.

Lovely to meet you. 

Warm regards Julie

BGray
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Hi everyone, reading a post on another thread reminded me of something I wanted to say - Jonah's title for her review of "Barefoot in Burma" really was accurate: every day (bar one) we had to take off our footwear at least once (sometimes two or three times in the day) in order to enter temples.  So to make life easier for yourself, bring sandals!  Some of the group got fed up having to take shoes and socks off so often.  We got used to having dirty feet!!  The bus boy provided us with wipes and I actually used these to clean up my sandals every evening.

One other thing which I don't think has been mentioned before - often on tours it can be a bit of a hassle ensuring we have enough water to drink.  This wasn't a problem on this tour - most of the hotels had 2 bottles complementary and some had 3 - and water was plentiful on the bus and was free.  So we were never stuck and this was much appreciated.  As I said, it was all the little touches on this tour that helped to make it so enjoyable.  Another aspect that was of great help to us is that Coco, our local guide, not only organised the boarding passes for us for all the internal flights, but also they have a great system in Burma whereby our cases were taken from the hotel directly to the airport, checked in for us and collected the other end.  Miraculously they always appeared in our next hotel later on!  If only this could happen on every tour.....

Cheers,

Bob

pat534
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great review Bob.Good to meet you again and lovely to travel with such a great group.

I thoroughly enjoyed Burma with all it's amazing sights and friendly people.Still working my way through all my photos.

Every hotel had a torch and I would suggest taking it out with you when you visit the Bagan temples. We went inside one which had fresco paintings on its inside wall. No light at all and no photography allowed. Our guide had a torch but it would be much better if you had your own. Also useful for the meal on the sandbank and the caves in Kalaw.

Now to plan my next trip