Hils
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Hi all,

I know this subject has come up various times, but I have just been talking to a neighbour who has been on JY tours and also a company where they like to rotate you at meals. On a holiday with the latter, there were 5 people who had booked together (and were ex-JY customers) who refused to rotate and insisted that they wanted to sit together, and ignored the rest of the group for the whole holiday. Please do not let this happen with JY!! Because they were ex-JY customers this has put her off JY completely, which is a shame.

I know it is very difficult for JY to stop this happening especially as people tend to book independently, but we, on the whole, are known as a friendly bunch. I have been on various JY holidays where I have had friends booked as well, but we by no means sit together and always mix with the rest of the group. We actually ask to be in different jeeps/boats/coach seats etc. as we are keen photographers, but also want our own space!

Cheers,

Hils

Bosuncat
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I totally agree Hils. 

As I have said before, on my first holiday to Cilento Coast there were four people , who although they had booked independently, knew each other from a previous holiday, and although they were fairly friendly, still tended to do everything together as a group to the exclusion of everyone else.  We were asked to rotate tables on that holiday, which is a great idea, although most of the holidays that I have been on now, tend to have big tables so everyone sits together.  These four never rotated tables which was a shame. 

The only other time  I have hit the problem was on a holiday in Tuscany, where we had several small cliques, but one group of five ladies, who booked together through a travel agency, claiming to not know that it was a singles holiday company, and were just taking advantage of the no single room supplement.  They did not mix at all, and it was very awkward if you were sitting next to them at evening meal, because they totally blanked you. 

It's such a shame, and I know that there is not a lot JY can do about it, people are generally very friendly and mix, even if they come with a friend or relative, but there is always the odd exceptions.

SarahS
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I have started a thread,  as yet unpublished, after my recent experience in Apulia, when the group included a party of nine ladies on some sort of reunion.  The party would have ten  but one was forced to cancel.  I would very much like to know JY policy  on this subject, and if any instructions are given to tour managers to cover this situation, which seems  to occur more and more frequently.  Apparently this particular group take an annual  group holiday with JY.
katy1717
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Hi Hils, very much agree. I've not been on JY holidays where a large group has booked, but have been on a few where a couple of friends have booked the same trip (and on at least a couple of occasions they had met on a previous JY trip). Sometimes they are joined at the hip, sometimes not. I do think that those who don't mix are the ones missing out.

Regards, Katy

nixon
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I have travelled with friends before on JY tours, these are people I have met on previous JY tours, but we have not stuck together 24/7.

Cindy

Eljay
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Sadly several of the 15 JY holidays I've taken have been affected to varying extents by cliques of people who don't want to mix. Happily my last two holidays didn't have any such people and the few who previously knew each other went out of their way to separate and mix. Cliques can have a massive negative effect on holidays.
AbbaDave
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i agree its always good to mix and that even if you travel together on any holiday it does not mean you have to be in each others pockets 24/7 and i would also like to point out that although JY state No single supplements of course there is as it's built in

Dave

BGray
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Hi I've been on 13 JY holidays and thankfully have never experienced this as a major problem.  I find that even when people don't know each other beforehand, they tend to pal up either in pairs or small groups in any case as the tour progresses.  Some people can be a little shy or sensitive about joining a group of people standing together or who have sat together at a table - we are all part of the one big tour group on these holidays, so I have never had any problem approaching others and asking if I can join them.  So far, I've always had a warm response!

All the best,

Bob

NeilY
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Hi there - I have now been on 7 Just You trips , all of which were terrific . Having said that , I totally agree with all the comments made by JY ' travellers ' on this thread regarding groups . I have experienced this on some of my trips . Although it has never greatly affected me personally , it can cause a certain ' disharmony ' in the group overall if for example , people insist on sitting together or do not wish mix (  even occasionally ! ) . It is a difficult situation and I am not really sure what can be done by JY in practical terms to prevent this occuring . However , JY do advertise their product as being for single travellers . Understandably therefore ' genuine ' single travellers can therefore feel a bit aggrieved if they encounter group bookings .   I do just wonder whether the ' powers that be ' at JY could have a brainstorming session & give the matter further consideration . All the best to everyone , Chris  ( aka Neil Y ) .
ElizabethF
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Hi All I've been on 2 JY holidays one that used several smaller tables the other with 2 large tables. The 2 large tables experience was more relaxed and friendly. Dependent on the total number on the tour and the available space in the hotel restaurant maybe JY could request either one large table or 2 etc? I found a couple of cliques on my first JY holiday where several smaller tables were used - thankfully though most people were friendly so it didn't put me off booking with JY again - it's difficult if someone is going to blank you they'll maybe do it anyway

Best wishes ElizabethF

rosehoward
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Following on from the above, I found it difficult on an Italian trip with included dinners.   I found that groups of women who had just made friends on the trip tended to form cliques and save places at the table definitely excluding those who were not in their new group - rather like schooldays.    I think that any man wanting to sit with them was welcome (perhaps that is why Bob didnt feel excluded) but certainly other women were given the cold shoulder.    I think that the system that some other companies use whereby the leader rotates the seating each day is a very good idea as it would avoid that situation and also enable people to talk to different people.

As much as I have enjoyed the three trips I have taken with JY, I get the feeling that some of the leaders are not always aware of the social aspects of leading a singles holiday; both when evening meals are and are not included.

BGray
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Hi reading the above posts has got me thinking!  I think that when dinners are included, big tables work much better than small ones, for including people.  When dinners are not included, the TM should try to facilitate travellers so that no one is left alone (this has happened on some tours I've done, but not all).  If it is half board, rotation at dinners is a suggestion that could be explored (although I don't like rotation on the coach, as I can't deal with sitting near the back, as I get motion sickness).  Above all, whether it is a Just You or Travelsphere tour, whether it is half board or do your own thing at dinner, I think the tour manager should make a special effort to ensure that all single travellers are included, that they have someone to have dinner with (unless, of course, they want to eat by themselves) and generally that they feel part of the group.  Some travellers might be going with friends, some may know others in the group and some are definitely completely by themselves - it is up to a JY tour manager to ensure that everyone is happy and is able to socialise as much as they want to.  Thankfully, I have been in all three situations and have not had a big problem (although I have eaten dinner by myself on occasion) but I do think that TMs should be fully aware of the social dynamics of the group and act accordingly.

Cheers,

Bob

nixon
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Please no rotation in any shape or form I will NOT rotate on the tour bus, we are all adults and should move around if we can, I know people hog the front seats so I do agree the same people can't sit there. TBH I like to sit on my own I am not being rude to anyone but I like space next to me.

I have never been asked to rotate for meals, I have found it all works itself out. I have been asked to rotate on the bus, but sorry it's not happening.

Cindy

lesley07
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I agree with Cindy. Adults should be able to sort out where to sit on the coach and at meals. Like minded people will always gravitate towards each other and there is nothing wrong with that provided this is not to the exclusion of others. Personally, I prefer small groups but large tables can help people to mix.

Lesley

magpie10
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I agree, I wouldn't like seat rotation on the coach as I too like to sit on my own as I prefer to be able to see out of the window otherwise I feel a bit travel sick, plus I like to take in the scenery. I normally sit near the back as I know a few people get really travel sick, especially if travelling on some of the mountain roads you can end up on, unless they're sitting right at the front, so I have no objection to letting them sit at the front if they need to. As stated earlier, I believe we're all adults and should be able to deal with this ourselves, though I do agree bigger tables are better for mealtimes. I don't think we can please everyone all of the time though.

Regards

Caroline

janib
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Hello all,

On the last trip upto the Yorkshire dales, we had 3 large tables which we were told to rotate. Some did, a few kept to the same table. It all depended on when you arrived at breakfast or dinner.

Only once have I rotated on a coach trip which was the Chicago to New Orleans in 2014. Interesting to find out who you were sitting next to as it was predone the night before when there was an itinerary posted through your door. Was a man and his partner always together as there were spare seats at the back :blush: 

Jan

Dyuti
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'nixon' wrote:

Please no rotation in any shape or form I will NOT rotate on the tour bus, we are all adults and should move around if we can, I know people hog the front seats so I do agree the same people can't sit there. TBH I like to sit on my own I am not being rude to anyone but I like space next to me.

I have never been asked to rotate for meals, I have found it all works itself out. I have been asked to rotate on the bus, but sorry it's not happening.

Cindy

Cindy, I am one of those who hog the front seat. I am profound deaf and had a cochlear implant. It is difficult to hear the guide or the TM if I sit at the back due the background noise and not being able to see the lips and expressions. I have been on two JY tours, the group knew why I had to sit in the front but towards the last few days, the front seats were taken by others and I had no choice but to sit at the back. I didn't hear a single word, but since my disability is not visible, I don't expect people to understand my difficulties.

rosehoward
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Surely any TM who was aware of a client's health or other needs, would ensure that the front seat was left for that person - normally by placing a card on it with suitable wording and making certain that noone else sat there.   I hope that you took this up with JY on your return.

This is not the same issue as seating at mealtimes though.

JanetL22
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Hi All

I fully agree that those people that have a disability, provided the guide is made aware if it, should have their needs met wherever possible. 

I am sure there are many of us that would prefer to sit in the window seat and have the seat next to us free in order to take in the scenery and spread out a little when travelling.   I certainly do!  Having said this, I do feel  that, as adults, nobody should feel they have a right to this on every trip unless everyone on that journey has the same option available to them.

As far as travel sickness is concerned (that I too have a tendency to suffer from) I understand that, out of fairness to others, there may be occasions when I need to take a pill and sit in a seat that I would not have otherwise chosen.   I have also been on a holiday where someone insisted on sitting at the front in the coach, on 4WDs and boats due to "travel sickness" but when this option became unavailable due to others, coped quite admirably nearer the back (without even having to take a pill!)

Janet

SarahS
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This is a difficult one.  I don't  like seat rotation: on tours where it was forced on me,  it didn't  work very well anyway, as  a number of travellers  refused to cooperate.  I think it's  reasonable that  people are asked to move round the coach and certainly  no able bodied person should hog the front seat.  I'm  happy to let those who need to sit near the front.

I have travelled with the company that rotates places at dinner. It's a good icebreaker  for the first few nights,  but after that it can become quite tedious having to find your place every time.

Good manners and consideration for others go a long way to make an enjoyable  group holiday.

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