lsally67
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'BGray' wrote:

Hi Sally,

The Vietnam tour was a year and a half ago, so the memory is getting hazy at this stage! As far as I remember there were a couple of veggie dishes served at each meal, but if you mention it when you book and also to the tour manager when you meet him/her I am sure the restaurants will be able to accommodate you - I have a vague recollection that there was a vegetarian on our tour and she was given some extra dishes just for her, but I might be mixing this up with another tour!

Hope this helps in some way,

Bob

Thank you bob happy travelling x

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Hi Bob. Many thanks for the information. Can't wait until it's my turn in March!. I had one particular question and was wondering if you could help me. The panda research centre visit - I realise it's only a short half day trip but I have been told that there is the opportunity to spend more individualised time with the pandas if you pay extra. ( somewhere in the region of £200 I believe). Did anyone in your tour group do this? [/size][/font]

Hi I'm just back from this great tour and thought I'd share some of my experiences with you all! There have been a number of great reviews of the China tour (including the superb blog from Alan aka Gooner 67) so I'll try not to duplicate too much what they have said already. This was a busy tour, as indicated in advance, but it was not excessively so - only a little more hectic than other long haul tours such as Vietnam and I feel it was excellent value for money. However, it certainly was not suitable for anyone with limited mobility - there were lots of steps and uneven surfaces and some days involved a lot of walking (the day we visited the Forbidden City in Beijing we walked more than four miles!).

The highlights were, of course, the Great Wall outside Beijing, the Terracotta Warriors at Xi'an, the panda reserve at Chengdu and the famous Shanghai skyline. However, we saw and did so much more than this - for me just as interesting and enjoyable was witnessing the Saturday morning activities at the Temple of Heaven, where the locals took part in Tai Chi, games of dominoes, crochet, badminton and dancing; while the Tang Dynasty show and Shanghai acrobats were amazing and real holiday highlights. The face changing show at Chengdu was not part of the itinerary, but Bobby our local guide offered to organise it for us and to be honest, it was not that great - the actual face changing act was well done, but it only comprised five minutes at the end of a rather tedious evening! We also experienced a wide variety of activities including a calligraphy lesson and some dumpling making! So all in all the programme was extremely interesting and we learnt so much about life in China, past and present from the very informative local guides.

The food was western buffet style at breakfast and a range of local dishes at lunch and dinner, typically ten or twelve dishes served on a lazy susan for us all to share. Dishes consisted of some that were familiar from any Chinese restaurant at home and some that were not! There were a number of vegetable dishes served at every meal and usually a couple of those served were spicy, with the food in Chengdu (Sichuan Province) being the spiciest. I personally preferred the food in Shanghai for flavour and variety. All the hotels were very good, with the ones in Beijing and Shanghai being the best. Wi-fi was was available at them all, with it being free in the foyer in Shanghai but only at a cost in the rooms there. All the hotels except Chengdu had western or international style sockets - so if you need to charge phones etc daily I'd recommend you get some Chinese adaptors from Amazon.

We had a small group of fifteen - four of whom continued on to do the Yangtze Gorge add-on. It was the youngest JY group I've ever experienced, with over a third of the group being in their 30s or 40s. I travelled with a friend of mine, Trish, and there were two other friends travelling together but everyone mixed extremely well and there were no cliques. Branwen Edwards, our tour manager, was exceptional - always kind, considerate, helpful and very well organised. She helped to make this tour really special and went out of her way to ensure that everyone was enjoying themselves. Our four local guides were all good, with Allan in Beijing being the best.

The itinerary was well thought out and, in my opinion, just the right amount of time was allocated to each place of interest. The only suggestion I would make is that the day trip to Leshan and the giant buddha while at Chengdu was a little underwhelming, so perhaps the folks at JY might consider cutting this excursion and giving more time to the panda centre instead. If this were done, the flight to Shanghai could be in the morning rather than the afternoon, allowing the possibility of a day trip into the surrounding countryside (two of our group did this the last day in Shanghai and had a very enjoyable day - almost resulting in missing the flight home, but that's another story!!).

If any prospective travellers have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. In the meantime, I'm going to sort out my washing and all the photos I took. Memories of this excellent tour will live long in my memory.

Best wishes,

Bob

BGray
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Hi Veepee,

On my tour I think four people did the panda experience. It did cost around £200 and there is a limit the number of people who can do it on any given day. Our tour manager and local guide spoke to us about it the day before and gave us some time to think whether we wanted to do it or not. What happened was we had a guided tour around the first part of the panda reserve and we saw some adults and some red pandas. We then went into the baby enclosure and saw four babies (through glass as they are very vulnerable). We then had free time to walk around the juvenile enclosure and got some great views of the young pandas playing together. Those doing the panda experience met up earlier than the rest of us and were escorted off to get kitted out. They put on protective clothing and had about 20 minutes with their own young panda to cuddle and feed. The pandas were given plenty of honey to keep them occupied during the encounter. All four really enjoyed the experience and one lady was ecstatic - I think it was the fulfillment of a life's dream for her! They all had photos taken with the panda and were given some other souvenirs as well.

If you'd really like to do this, I suggest you speak to your tour manager early in the tour about it and the local guide in Chengdu can find out if there are spaces available when you are there. If you love pandas, it would be an amazing experience!

Best wishes,

Bob

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Hi VeePee

I did this tour the month after Bob and did the 'Panda Keeper Experience' in Chengdu. You're right - it's pricey - 2000 Yuan which is just over £200 and you have to take cash, but I can honestly say it's the best £200 of holiday money I've ever spent. It was a thrilling experience which left me, and the other three from our JY group that did it, with trembling hands as we left and goofy grins on our faces for the remainder of the tour!

As you correctly say, it's a half day excursion which you do on the morning before flying on to Shanghai (it's important to go in the morning because this is when the famously 'relaxed' pandas are at their most active). The main group have a guided walk around the centre, which has around 70 Giant Pandas and Red Pandas of which around 20 are usually on view. Like Bob, we were lucky because the cubs that had been born this spring had reached an age (2-3 months) when they could be displayed in a playpen behind glass in the nursery.

The 'Panda Huggers', as we were quickly labelled by our group, were taken by another English speaking guide to register as soon as we arrived and in order to get an early slot (so that we would be on time to catch our plane). They only allow 30 people per day but our guide reserved our places the day before. We were then taken round the rest of the reserve for an hour to watch breakfast being served to the panda groups - amazing photo opportunities!

Once our timeslot was close, we were taken back to the 'Sunshine Nursery' and given a talk on the breeding programme and the history of Giant Pandas followed by a lesson on the preparation of the huge quantities of bamboo that is brought down fresh from the mountains each day to feed them.

Then came the best 20 minutes of my holiday. We donned hospital style scrubs, gloves and shoe covers and were taken into a room with a glass roofed atrium containing a beautiful wooden bench. Just then I heard a voice beside me say "excuse me - coming through" and I stepped aside only to look down to see that the keeper hadn't meant himself - a beautiful 14 month old little lady called Sa brushed passed my leg and nonchalantly hoped up on to the bench and made herself comfy. She looked for all the world as if she was thinking "Ok, Mr DeMille, I'm ready for my close up"!

When we initially booked, I was a little worried that it would be a set up like some tourist attractions where you are not allowed to take your own camera in and get one official photo before being hurried out. This was the total opposite. As we each had our turn, the official photographer took several pictures and one of the other keepers borrowed our own cameras and just kept clicking - they were amazingly friendly and helpful. We all got a good 5 minutes sitting snuggling up to Sa on the bench - you couldn't have her on your lap because at 14 months she was well over 4 feet tall and must have weighed as much as an eight year old child. She was totally docile but the keeper kept her happy with a steady stream of treats like bamboo and apple dipped in honey.

Don't worry about the welfare of the pandas - they are treated like kings there and each cub only sits with 10 visitors before they swap them over, so they don't get stressed or tired. The only thing that they don't like, apart from running out of panda treats, is loud voices because their ears are extremely sensitive.

After we said our farewells to 'our' little girl, we were taken outside and each received a canvas panda goody bag containing two of the official photos in a Perspex frame, a t-shirt, a book, a lapel pin, a limited edition cuddly panda and a bound certificate confirming our donations. Then it was a quick dash back to the entrance via one of the park's 'panda buses' (golf buggies) to meet up with the rest of the group and head to the airport.

You'll get lots of shopping opportunities on this trip but trust me, you'll want to set aside 2000 yuan in cash for a meet and greet of a lifetime!

Happy to help if you have any other questions about the pandas or the trip in general

All the best

Mandy

Veepee
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Thank you Mandy. Can't wait to become a 'panda hugger' !!!
Veepee
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Thank you for taking the time to reply Bob especially as my question somehow got squashed at the top of your thread! Will certainly take your advice and make sure the tour guide arranges it for me.
BGray
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Hi you are very welcome Veepee, if you have any other questions I'll be happy to answer them!

Best wishes,

Bob

Jaya
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I would love to be a 'panda hugger' if and when I get a chance to do the China trip. I love Pandas and would not mind paying to be close to one of them. After reading Mandy's account of her experience, I agree that £200 is worth spending on this.

Jaya

Emmard
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I've got my 2000 yuen ready and hope to be hugging pandas in the next couple of weeks. I fully appreciate how lucky I am and having spent the last week doing my China research I'm now getting very, very excited!
AELB
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Hi Emmard

Having an amazing time experiencing 'Panda Love Chengdu' (as it will say on your t-shirt!).

If you happen to meet my old friend Sa, please say "Nee How Maa" to her from her Auntie in Jersey :)

Also - if your Beijing guide happens to be Alan, ask him how his baby daughter is (her arrival was imminent when we were there in October and he was sooo excited!)

Glad you've done your research but if you have any other questions, happy to help. Enjoy every minute (and don't forget to pack the throat sweets, hand wipes and toilet paper!)

Mandy

BGray
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Hi Emma,

Happy panda hugging! Just to add to Mandy's post, if you do have Allan, please wish him well from me. In Sept he was already very excited about the baby. He is a brilliant guide, the best we had in China.

Best wishes,

Bob