jonah
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First load in the washing machine and I haven't even picked up the cat yet but I know the next trip will be waiting for this review so here goes.  All 11 travellers confessed at Heathrow to some trepidation about this trip particularly with regard to the ger camps and the luggage restriction - what to pack?

The luggage restriction is actually to do with the flight to South Gobi and not the 4 x 4's.  The weight limit is actually 10 kg for the flight but JY covered the excess baggage charge and have said they will continue to do so.  The 5 kg hand luggage is also enforced on this flight although they aggregated this across the group.  Most of the group took back packs for hand luggage and this is definitely the best bet.  Although there was enough room in the 4 x 4's for the hand luggage to go in the back with the suitcases I understand that the next group is larger than ours so this may not be an option plus only one of our 4 x 4's had 5 people in.  Our TM Yvette (fantastic all the way through) rotated the make up of the 4 x 4's daily by random draw so that we all had a chance to be in a 4 x 4 with 3 travellers plus driver which gave more room and also the option to travel with Yvette or the local guide Bolor (who were always in car 1 and 4).  Drives varied between 3 & 5 hours always arriving for lunch around 1 pm so starts were not too early apart from the flight to South Gobi from Ulanbaatar.

As to what to pack.  The first 4 days were unsettled with rain one day so pack a waterproof.  Nights in the Gobi can be cooler so if you feel the cold pack a sweater or light fleece.  Torch is essential to find your way to the facilities at night as electric may not be on.  In some ger camps electric was 24 hours but at others it was available between approx. 7 & 10.30 pm.  Some yurts had their own charging sockets, others were a communal facility but no-one had any problem charging what they needed to.  With 2 nights at the Kempinski in Ulaanbataar at the start you can make sure everything is fully charged before you go - it is also an opportunity to wash clothes you have travelled in and stock up on toiletries if you need to.  Make sure you have all the medication you need and toiletries as once you leave here there will not be an opportunity to buy anything.  We only saw a couple of towns with shops in our time in the Gobi.  

As to money this is local currency and there is currently a better exchange rate for sterling.  We changed money at a bank where there was also an ATM and we did have an opportunity to change more during the trip.  In Ulaanbaatar and some ger camps you can use $ so I would suggest taking sterling to exchange and dollars as back up spending money or tips.  I exchanged $150 but $200 might have been better.  It depends on what your needs are.  Drinks are cheap - beers approx. £1.50 - £2, local vodka £2 for a large shot.   Wine, soft drinks, non local drinks are relatively more expensive as they are imported.  Some ger camps have gifts for sale and offer additional facilities such as massages - the two night stay also did laundry, approx. £75p - £1 per item.  Only one camp we stayed at took credit cards.

The ger camps which we all were a bit nervous about were fine - some providing more facilities than others but all were clean to an acceptable standard, some excellent.  Staff were friendly, beds were sometimes a little hard but you are provided with plenty of additional blankets etc so pile these under you and problem solved.  Food was plentiful and good quality given that all ingredients had to be brought in.  Lunch and dinner were nearly always 4 courses with delicious salad starter, soup, main and sweet of either fruit of chocolate biscuit.  Mutton and chicken were the staple meats with occasional beef.  Vegetarians are catered for although the food offered may not be what we are used to.  Breakfasts were a little more challenging at a couple of the gers so I suggest you pack a few cereal bars if wheat porridge or chocolate biscuits are not your thing first thing in the morning.

I am conscious that this review is getting rather long so I will answer any questions anyone may have rather than ramble on much more.  The drivers of the 4 x 4's were fabulous and despite a lack of English we got on great, Bolor our guide was OK but could have been more proactive with information. Mongolia do not have an industry of professional tour guides so I don't want to be too  critical as he was a lovely guy.  Yvette the TM was brilliant and always looking to add in more experiences and tweak things around.  In particular she made sure we visited the Chinngis Khan statue and this will now be included in future trips.  This was absolutely mind blowing and one of the many highlights.

In summary if you have a taste for adventure, can bear to be parted from your en-suite for 9 nights, love wide open spaces and want to experience the Nomad way of life that has not changed for centuries, then this trip is for you.  And yes it is the land of the great Blue Sky - after a rocky start we had glorious weather, the light was fantastic and phot opportunities abounded all the time sometimes appearing literally out of the blue.  The drivers were always happy to stop for a photo shoot or any other reason.

The Bejing add on was a great introduction to China for me but I am not sure it will tempt me back. I am glad I did it and saw the Great Wall (which has an option to descend by toboggan) and the Forbidden City which was awesome.  This was considerably more expensive than Mongolia and cost as much for 3 nights spending money as all the time in Mongolia.  Here again you can use dollars in some places and credit cards were more accepted. Money can be changed at the hotel although the exchange rate was not great and there is an ATM at the hotel.

Right time to pick up the cat and do a lot of grovelling to get back in his good books.  Plus get ready for the next fantastic JY trip

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Hi Chris,

I'm delighted you enjoyed this adventure so much - it sounds wonderful!  Could you tell me a bit more about the food - was it tasty/fatty meat with bones/spicy?  Also was the scenery as spectacular as you had expected?  Were there private facilities in the washrooms and did you have to queue to use the showers etc?

All the best,

Bob

jonah
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Forgot to add.  When we were in Mongolia, mossies were not a problem.  Occasional bite from sand flies on the dunes and midges were the only issue so pack some Anthisan.  it is worth taking some Deet as a precaution but we did not need it.
lesley07
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Hi Jonah

Thanks for taking the time to write this review. Not a trip for me but glad you enjoyed the experience.

Lesley

AbbaDave
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Hi Jonah

Thanks for this super review, again not a tour I have on my radar but you never know

all the best

Dave

katy1717
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Thanks for the comprehensive trip report.  Another trip I'd like to do sometime, but my wishlist so long already don't know when I'll find time - my worry with these unusual trips is they often only hang around a few years so I might miss it if I don't do it soon.

Katy

Julie White
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Thank you Jonah,

A fabulous review and great tips. A place I want to visit in the future.

You have really wetted my appetite and I must bring it further up list.

Many thanks Julie

Kezzer46
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Hi Jonah,

Great review... sounds like a fab holiday.

Kezzer

mikew
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Hi Jonah,

Many thanks for this fantastic review. It sounds like a real adventure and one that I should experience before it gets 'rested'. I'll add it to the ever- growing list!

Cheers

Mike

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Jonah

Glad you had a good time, and it's good that JY cover for all tastes..thank you for taking the time to leave a review,but this isn't a tour I fancy at all. Hope the cat is happy to see you .

Cindy

jonah
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Hi all

Thanks for taking the time to read my review and yes the cat was glad to see me and we are friends again I think JY know this tour is a bit specialist and will probably only run it for a couple of years by which time all who want to do it may have been.

Bob - to answer your questions. The food generally was very good and most of it very tasty. I don't eat chicken so cannot comment on this although all who had it said it was very good. It just appeared quite a lot of times!!. The mutton was sometimes fatty, particularly when served as a soup or stew, and occasionally served on the bone like a lamb shank. The beef when we had it was very tender. The salads and soups were delicious and very varied. Some of the tour opted to go no red meat towards the end and this was not a problem. At one ger we had fish which was very tasty. Some of the food was spiced but not excessively - I don't do very spicy food and it suited me.

The scenery was more spectacular and varied then I expected and the Gobi greener than I thought it would be - the sheer distance you could see at times was breath-taking.

In each ger the showers were enclosed, some with doors and some with curtains - many had lockable lockers for your clothes etc. It is worth taking a waterproof bag as one of the ger camps we stayed at it was difficult not to get stuff wet in the shower as the hooks were in the showering area. Of course ger camps may vary on each trip as part of the issue is that JY need so many single gers that not all camps can accommodate the requirement. I didn't hear of anyone having to queue.

Hope this helps

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Hi Chris,

Brilliant review - as always! One I would really like to do, but unfortunately it's only at that time of year which is not convenient for me.

Cheers,

Hils

RaeW
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So glad that this was such a success and thank you for the review. It's always great to read about the holidays I'll never do.

Rae

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Jaya
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Thank you for the wonderful review. I was not sure about this trip, but having read your review I would love to do it one of these days.

Regards

Jaya

BGray
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Hi again Chris,

Many thanks for answering my questions!  Unfortunately the dates don't suit me for next year (I can't go away during July and August) but here's hoping I get the chance to do it before it gets rested!

Best wishes,

Bob

trisho
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Thanks Chris for taking the time to write this review.  It, coupled with Yvette's photos, have convinced me that this tour is currently my no 1 for summer 2018. Just waiting to see if there is anything in the September brochure that appeals more before I book. Glad your feline has forgiven you.  Enjoy Russia.

Trish

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Hi Jonah

Thanks for your great insight into this holiday, I'm hoping to be able to go next year, everything you have said has been duly noted and I'm already mentally packing my bags and thinking of ways to cut down on weight!

At the moment, whilst I think about it, there are one or two questions that spring to mind you may be able to answer for me:

What is it like underfoot? Would hiking sandals be sufficient or something offering a bit more protection like hiking shoes/trainers?

Am I right in thinking casual is order of the day with no need for smart casual in the evenings whilst staying in the ger camps?  Having already been a member of the "advance party" so to speak, could you recommend what the minimum amount of clothes you can get away with is apart from a fleece and rainwear.  Did you find you had taken too much or too little of anything for this type of holiday?

On the drives did you get loo stops?

You mentioned changing money, would the $200 cover the whole of the stay in Mongolia?

Although I could probably get away with it at a push, were there any hairdryers in any of the shower facilities?

Sorry for so many questions, any answers you can give will be greatly appreciated.

Glad you enjoyed the holiday, many thanks

Avocet

jonah
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Hi Avocet

Thanks for your kind words and to answer your queries.

Hiking sandals will be fine - I did take a pair of trainers thinking they would be better for the dune walk but sandals actually let the sand run through.   The walk in the Yoi Valley is on loose ground and involves crossing a stream several times.  I wore ordinary sandals and Croc thongs some of the time.

Casual is definitely the order of the day - I spent most of the time in shorts/capri & T shirts.  I did take a couple of long skirts and wore them a couple of evenings but to be honest I could have left them behind if I hadn't been doping the Beijing add on.  I did wear almost everything I took and also did some washing.  The benchmark was shorts would do 2 days and obviously T shirts were changed every day.  The best trousers to take are the convertible ones so that you do have the option to cover up if you need to in the evening.

Yes we had loo stops on the drives - the drivers were under strict instruction to stop on demand!!  Cover was not always available so a big scarf is handy altho there is always behind the vehicle with everyone instructed to avert their eyes and there was rarely anyone but us on the 'road'.  So lots of hand gel and wet wipes needed. 

I think $200 would cover it altho as I said I would take Sterling to change knowing what I now know about the exchange rate - it depends on your needs.  All food is included, water is available - 2 bottles a day in the 4 x 4's and also with lunch at the ger camps. So all you really have is drinks which are really cheap if you go local and gifts - not that much to buy except at the statue and the museum in Kharakorum plus massages if you re interested.

Most gers did have hair dryers but remember electric is not always on.

Happy to answer any other queries you may have.  It is an amazing trip.

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Hi Jonah

Many thanks, thats really helpful.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the trip next year now, seems such a long time to wait at the moment but I guess time will fly.

Avocet